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Galileo

Sorry if I ask, but as far as I know we, Catholics, believe that we have received the final revelation to the humanity as well. Did you mean that in the Muslim world the revelation is not in progression through time, instead?

Albertus Minimus

I don't think I understand you, Galileo. If what I say here doesn't correspond to your question, please ask again.

Now, yes, of course Christianity thinks of itself as God's final revelation, but from my experience in both faiths, the emphasis on the terminal nature of the religion is much stronger in Islam. To some extent - and I'm only speaking about tendencies here - Christianity takes it as read that of course it's going to be the final revelation, after all, one could say, who could top Jesus?

In Islam, on the other hand, the belief that it's the final religion is much more explicit. This may partly be because it defined itself in contradistinction to Judaism and Christianity, and sees itself, one might say, as the restoration of the two earlier religions botched attempts at a perfect faith.

Galileo

The model I have of Catholicism is that Jesus is the revelation of the "face" of the Father, that is, yes, there won't be any higher level of knowledge than Him. However, as it happens for every person, to know His nature and will you have to interact with Him, and that is the reason why we have our forms of contemplation and the Sacraments.
Now, did you mean that a Muslim is explicitly taught that Judaism and Christianity are failed attempts at a perfect faith and that the life in their community is accounted as a sort of reminder of their obligations and promises (which would leave great space to their personal interpretation)?
Cheers.

Albertus Minimus

'Now, did you mean that a Muslim is explicitly taught that Judaism and Christianity are failed attempts at a perfect faith.'

Essentially, yes. Jews and Christians are called Peoples of the Book, and Muslims believe that the prophets of the Bible (among whom they include Christ) were indeed genuinely sent by God, they further believe that the scriptures delivered by these prophets have been corrupted. Thus, Muslims believe that Judaism corrupted monotheism by, as it were, nationalising it, while Christians corrupted it by making Christ into God.

They believe Islam avoids both these errors.

Galileo

Very clear explanation, Thank you very much.

sunny

Hi im a former muslim and me and my family have been saved by the blood of Jesus my parents are in their 50s now and was saved in Punjab, you need to undestand Mans way to God is religion - God way to man is Jesus, he came in human form to us. Its not about "religion" its about relationship and the holy spirit of christ in you, we are all sinners and need salvation people. may he guide us all to the truth in Christ Amen

Sunny.

Ex-Muslim

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani أحمد القطعاني An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."

What Muslims say among each other, is not the same thing that they say for the consumption of the Westerners.

These are huge numbers. If this trend continues we can expect to see Islam become insignificant in Africa in just a few decades. This is good news for those who are concerned about the on going slavery in Africa and the prospects of war and genocide.

In fact with the weakening of Islam, we can hope to see peace in many war-ridden parts of the world including Palestine. By now it should be clear that any road map to peace between Israel and Palestine will be blocked by the Islamists and the terrorists. Peace in Middle East is not possible as long as Islam is the ideology of the masses.

It is important that we realize that this terrorism that is threatening the peace of the world and these wars that bleed the Muslim nations are not economically motivated but are they are hate motivated. They are religious wars. The weakening of Islam means peace for mankind.

Al Qataani and al Jazeera Network were alarmed by these huge numbers of Muslims leaving Islam, but humanity must rejoice over these numbers. The weakening of Islam means the triumph of mankind.

The following is part of the transcript of Al Jazeera's Interview with Al Qataani translated to English http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103p2.htm

Kevin Quail

The weakening of all religion means the triumph of mankind. Or, as it was written in many ways by America's Founding Fathers over 200 years ago:

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology."--Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, _Six_Historic_Americans_ by John E. Remsberg

"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and all of which facilitates the execution of mischievous projects. Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded project."--James Madison, _2000_Years_of_Disbelief_ by James A. Haught

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."--Thomas Paine, _The_Age_of_Reason

shiju

after listening to all the arguments about christianity,islam & judaism.i would conclude the following.

1)christianity is the only true religion.as the muslims also acknowledge that christ had a virgin birth & also he would come back & not muhammad.the muslims are confused about the holy trinity.and often argue that jesus is not god.
let me tell all the muslims. that the coming of the lord was foretold much earlier than christ was born by the earlier prophets .immanuel(meaning god with us).as water can be ice & vapour, & still retain the chemical formula h20.likewise father(god),son-jesus(god), holy spirit(god).these all three make one that is one god.god had kept his promise to the mankind that adams sin would be washed by a great sacrifice & that ransom was jesus himself, the muslims call jesus as roohalalla of god meaning spirit of god.that impies by itself that jesus is god himself in the form of man. & jesus mentions that if you have seen me you have seen my father. hence jesus is the mirror of god.the muslims want to avoid the death of jesus because if they believe in death they will have to believe in resurrection & they would be called christians also.to top it all the muslims contradict their own statement that muhammad is the most powerful prophet in the book. then my simple question is why is allah going to send jesus(isa) & not muhammad to judge the world. the argument ends here itself.also jesus preached love & peace. & a true believer cannot doubt which is the right religion. with respect to all muslims i would request my muslim brothers & sisters to realise this fact at the earliest. & come back to the father in jesus christ who is full of love, forgiveness & peace.AMEN

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B Gravely

As a descendent of the Jefferson family and the owner of a copy of Jefferson's rewritten Bible, I think Jefferson's arguments are clear.

He believes in the God of Issac, Abraham, and Jacob, but not in Jesus as part of the God Head.

I believe there are two reasons for this. First, He lived in a time of high corruption in the Anglican and other churches. Their leaders arbitrary pronouncements and rules turned him off to organized religion.

Second, he lived in the new age of enlightenment. Reason over all. Spiritual things were not subject to reasonable explanation, and he didn't like "superstition". If he lived today, I think he would accept the Bible and Jesus as valid.

Jefferson's Bible, by the way, reads horribly. It is disjointed, has big gaps and shows Jefferson reaching to put reason where faith is.

One the other hand, Jefferson gave money to many different chruches and espoused a belief in God as the creator and sustainer of all life. He could write a pretty good exegesis on passages in the Bible concerning God's majesty and power.

The quotes of Kevin Quail above are obviously taken out of context. You can google them and read them for your self. Jefferson didn't like the religious hierarchy of his day, but he didn't deny God.

The bottom line is Jefferson was not a Christian, but was a God-fearing man not unlike the original Unitarians (not the ones today).

Many great people have "overthought" God and had doubts - CS Lewis was one. And great people are not great in all areas of life (Einstein and Jefferson said about the same things about God). I do not consider either to be great theologians.

Gharnata Khan

I am a muslim and i would like to comment of the posts above.....
first of all to Shiju....yes, muslims believe in JESUS(peace be upon him) born to virgin Mary as one of 4 main Prophets of GOD. All 4 were sent to continue the one true way of life, one religion which now is called islam. Jesus (PBUH) never claimed He was GOD or the son of GOD. the miracle of JESUS being born to a virgin Mary does not prove that he must be son of GOD, because if so, then ADAM has the right to be called God's son before Jesus. and the concept of trinity, if there were 3 GODS, or the three powers like GOD, there would always be confusion in the world, the it wouldn't run so smoothly.
As shiju said why wouldn't Allah (the ONLY GOD) send Mohammed to the world? JESUS did not die for anyone, Allah (GOD) raised him to the heavens and saved him from the JEWS, to send him back and fulfill the rest of his duties as Prophet. HE will confirm ISLAM as the only true word of GOD. Perhaps, he will return to guide the chirstians tell them the truth.
Secondly, MOHAMMED (peace be upon him) is the PERFECT human being, in the world, read about him, about his life-style, his personality and he was free of any human errors because he had to complete the final word of Allah and set an example for the mankind of a perfect lifestyle.
Thirdly, there are countless contradictions among the bibles and confusions because the true word of God was changed by humans, if christians or jews had the true word, they would have been muslims. The miracle of islam is the HOLY BOOK, Quran, which exists, till today, in its original Arabic form. people have translated Quran into their own languages to get the better understanding but the original Arabic Script exists as it was revealed to the Prophet Muahmmad (peace be upon him). You can buy Quran in Africa or in America, or Asia and compare the Arabic book, u will not see even one word here and there. and this is because GOD has promised in Quran to take care of the true word Himself and protect it. So nobody has ever can will never be able to change even a single letter in Quran. Is there one true Bible like Quran?
Next, it was said that millions of muslims r converting to christianity in Africa, a land where people r not well-educated, dying of hunger, who would believe anything that is told to them if food is put on their table. Trust me a well-educated muslim would never convert, because WE ARE completely satisfied with Islamic teachings and the lifestyle of our Prophet PBUH. and the muslims who do convert to christianity or to any other religion, is just because, they find islamic laws too hard to follow, just a small example is praying 5 times a day and fasting for one month, etc. when they don't realize that success is always gained after a bumpy ride and by nature, man is misguided very easily by illusions, and Islam had to be strict (like, forbidding alcohol, chop-off a thief's hands, death punishment for killers) in order to keep the people on the right track ..just like these western governments, how they enforce taxes and other laws which a lot of people complain about. There are countless videos of well-educated christians converting to Islam. Watch those.
Someone also mentioned and associated the violence in the existing world with ISLAM.....what about the world war I and II, no muslims or islamic countries were involved. Who is to be blamed? what about the violence that the US (christian government) caused by dropping the nuclear bomb (the very first and the only use of such weapon) on Japan's. How many innocent people were and still are affected by that?
if u lived in that period, would u be associating this violence with Christianity?
Finally, muslims are very repectful to the prophet JESUS and Mariam (mary) and never ever show ignorance against them, however, the Danish media has printed such disrespectful cartoons and even christian reporters have made ignorant comments about the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I guess it is to ignite fire among muslims and if they react in response by protesting, in love of the prophet (PBUH), do u really blame them for this. U would NEVER ever ever hear a disrespectful comment from a muslim's mouth for Prophet ISA (jesus PBUH).
I am an average muslim, my understanding of Islam comes from the study of the Holy Book and the lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Shayaan

yes, i agree with this person about violence should not be associated with religion. What about Hitler, a christian, what he did to Jews was THE WORST form of violence. So it is proved that Christians have caused more violence in the world than muslims, but nobody talks about it because it's history and because christians and jews have a hold on the media and want to spread whatever they wish. Oh well, it's not too far when this world will come to an end and everyone will see the true face of GOD. May Allah guide those who seek truth with their heart and soul, Amen.

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Happy is the happiness, happy if not accompany phenomenon accompanied with labor, then it will not only quickly lose value, but also can quickly make people's hearts fall down.Do you think so?

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Happy is the happiness, happy if not accompany phenomenon accompanied with labor, then it will not only quickly lose value, but also can quickly make people's hearts fall down.Do you think so?

sig

A post to Gharnata Khan
Firstly you wrong and so is the person you are commenting to a genuine Christian does not consider Jesus to God in human form but a special human that god has sent down to earth to let people in on religion (prophet) and some Christian call God father because his they creator hence e.g. I'm a child of god Jesus is a child is secondly Jesus's resurrection is to see the end of the world where good beats evil not to start preaching to Christians and say "ok so I made Christianity up" And another thing if Islam was ment to be the ultimate religion then answer why god made people of different race and speak different languages if the Quran is in Arabic ? Did you know South Africa has 12 official languages what about the rest of the if that's just 1 country In order for 1 understand 1's religion they have to respect the others views on religion another thing is to talk high and might about your self as if you better then those in africa is not promoted in the Quran nore the bible its fine to talk about your religion but can you question well how well you practice when you talk bad upon those worse off then your self ? Speak wise my wise my friend nextly people who say " my religion is the truth or the right 1" are all ignorant to be fair noboby has all the answers to life but God all Mighty Him Self and on the day we all have to face him will the truth be known to all man kind and about the violence please don't bring religion In to that and 1 that commits violence really should not proclaime they have religion So its neither about Christian's causing war or Isalm's causing war 2010 the whole worlds at war no matter what they religion even if its just civil war get with times we live in a corrupted world can you name name a country that's really at peace ? So when it comes to war and violence leave religion out of it peace

sig

Oh and in saying your prophets perfect human being that's question god creations on every other prophet he sent so you may believe the holy book were corrupted or tampered with but that doesn't mean the profits were they were sent by God All Might him self just like your prophet speak wise

Dija

At Sig
I agree with you saying that we should leave religion out of war as when we look at the history of the only common thing they all have is us. However, I dont particular seem to understand your arugument about why there are different languages etc Yes God created man and everything we see and not see but we have free will we are in control of us he cant make us speak a language. Language is something we developed through time to make communication much easier for all of us. At the end of the day we are animals and all animals communicate differently which ever manner fitted their group best is how they communicate. When humans first arrived on earth we were separated off from other humans just like animals therefore created our own way to communicate its just recently (and i say recently as we are still new born babies in the eyes of the earth as it has been here for a billion years and us for a fraction of that time)that we started to move out and communicate with other groups off people so ofcourse our languages are going to differente we have just been exposed to it. Oh and the quran was revealed in arabic as the Prophet(SAW) spoke arabic therefore it would stupid to go to him and give him the revelation in chinese or english or german etc seen as he would not have understood therefore not been able to spread the word of God.

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The fact is that the muslims beleive in Juses as one of the mightiest prophet of Allah, and not the son of Allah. neither he in any nature a like a God.For the essence the person, the nature of Allah are absolutely beyond human comprehension. Moreso the Bible did not Identify itself for there is not a single quotation from either God or Jesus or any of the Bible compillers who confirmed that the word Bible is the Bible.

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John Anderson

I am a Muslim but also a Christian. There's one major problem with both and I'm glad I have spent the last 27 years finding the truth.

In Islam, the biggest problem is this. Jesus did in fact get crucified - and Allah brought him back to life. If all Muslims actually read the "true" and original texts of the Gospel, they'd know that there is no dispelling this truth. When I was taught that Isa didn't die and was brought back, and then went as far as reading the Gospel to find out otherwise, I've spent the last 27 years going to historical archives to read the original texts. Guess what Isa was crucified, and Allah showed his superiority in bringing him back and then taking him up. If all Muslims read the Gospel, and accepted only this one truth - they would be able to convert all Christians. This is the one stumbling block of Islam.

For Christians, it's the opposite. They will not accept Mohamed as a prophet. If they accepted the fact that Mohamed has as many followers as Christians have, then they would easily see that only of God could this be true.

Christianity started with all people praying and being submisive to Allah or God as you call him. But along the way, they became free spirits and few bow down or cover themselves.

To my fellow Muslims, Isa did die, and Allah did bring him back and took him up.

Read the Koran - God is not able to look upon us because of our imperfections, this is why Isa was sent to earth. We are taught to believe in Isa and in his Gospel, but none of us have ever been told to read the original text.

Go read it and find the truth. We can be Muslims and follow the teachings of our prophet, but we must believe in the reason why Isa came and understand that simply being told that the Gospels where changed is a way to keep us from going and reading ourselves the Gospel of Isa.

There are many religions in the world, too many for me to count. Yet there are only 144,000 going to Heaven. The reason is clear at least to me.

Do your homework and may Allah guide your heart. Let not preachers, or clerics, or a single Holy book be your guide. If the Holy book mentions Isah, then it's our duty to go and read his Gospel.

There is no shame or problem believing the truth.

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